Anatychuk To Investigate Thermoelectric Behavior Of Metal Dental Fillings

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It looks as though the scientific community may soon be no longer completely ignorant of the thermoelectric behavior of metallic dental restorations.

At the recent XIII International Forum On Thermoelectricity held in Kiev, Ukraine, from 10 to 13 February, Professor Lukian I. Anatychuk, one of the World's leading authorities on thermoelectrics, accepted responsibility for answering questions on the subject of thermoelectric phenomena in metal dental fillings, and undertook to respond in due course to a number of specific questions on the subject which were presented to the forum on Tuesday 12th February.

The questions were posted via live Skype link-up to the forum, and the exchange of messages which lead to Professor Anatychuk's historic undertaking are recorded in Skype as follows:

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[12/02/2009 12:08:10] Keith P Walsh says: Are metallic dental restorations which consist of dissimilar metals in contact with each other able to generate thermoelectric potentials?
[12/02/2009 12:08:54] Keith P Walsh says: And are these potentials large enough to dissipate electrical energy through the nerves in people's heads.
[12/02/2009 12:10:58] Keith P Walsh says: Remember that dentists sometimes screw a metal alloy retaining pin into the root socket of a patient's tooth and encase the head of the pin in metal amalgam. And dental restorations are subjected to thermal gradients all the time.
[12/02/2009 12:11:28] XIII Forum of Thermoelectricity says: who do you want to address the question?
[12/02/2009 12:11:44] Keith P Walsh says: Professor Anatychuk
[12/02/2009 12:16:58] Keith P Walsh says: Volta's frog's leg experiment - for two dissimilar conductors in contact with the frog's leg - how big does the temperature differential have to be to make the frog's leg jump? how many degree K - to Prof. Anatychuk
[12/02/2009 12:17:05] XIII Forum of Thermoelectricity says: Introduce yourself, please.
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[12/02/2009 12:18:56] Keith P Walsh says: My name is Keith Walsh, I am in the UK. I have read that metal dental fillings generate electrical potentials up to 350 milliviolts - is this a thermoelectric potential?
[12/02/2009 12:19:41] Keith P Walsh says: my e-mail address is keith.p.walsh@btinternet.com
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It will be interesting to see whether Professor Anatychuk follows established scientific procedure and carries out experimental investigations to measure the thermoelectric behaviors of any metal dental restorations in order to verify his answers, or whether he will choose the entirely unscientific option of simply "declaring" that the thermoelectric properties of such dental restorations cannot possibly be of any significance on the grounds that no-one (including himself) appears to have any idea what these properties actually are.

Does anyone know when the report of the findings of the XIII International Forum On Thermoelectricity is due to be published?

Keith P Walsh

PS, in his paper, "On the discovery of thermoelectricity by Volta.", (Journal of Thermoelectricity, 2004, No.2, p5-10.), Professor L I Anatychuk cites Alessandro Volta's frog's leg experiment (see: http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/frogsleg.htm ) as evidence for suggesting that a single thermoelectric couple under an ordinary thermal gradient is able to generate sufficient thermoelectric potential to excite neurological function in animal tissue. Does anyone know of any reason why this principle should not apply in humans as well as in frogs?

1. Field of Invention

This invention relates relates to a dental desk unit adapted to keep materials and tools used by the dentist at a temperature most suited to their use.

2. Prior Art

The need for keeping certain dental cements or filling material cooled to prevent premature setup is well recognized in the art, and suitable devices have been proposed for this purpose, as may be seen in U.S. Pat. Nos. 3,230,723 and 3,712,072, both of which utilize the well-known Peltier effect to obtain the desired cooling. Thermoelectric units of the Peltier type are well-known in the art. They comprise surfaces bonded together in such a way that, when a direct current is impressed on the element, one of the surfaces becomes hot, and the other surface becomes cold. In the devices of the references, the cold surface is utilized to provide the cooling of the device, and the heat generated by the hot surface is dissipated by a fan blowing on fins or other heat-radiating configurations. From the need for dissipating the heat with a fan, it is evident that the amount of heat generated is considerable, and is considered a disadvantage.

Phoenix Dentists

Any comments on this thread would be welome.

It's perhaps ironic that modern thermoelectric devices are finding applications in dentists' surgeries when only a few years ago it appeared that materials scientists in dental schools were entirely unaware of the existence of thermoelectric phenomena at all, see:

http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/letter-05.htm

Thermoelectricians didn't "invent" thermoelectricity. It is an aspect of nature which has always existed.

Three or for hundred years ago when people learnt how to refine sugar in bulk they massively increased the problem of tooth decay for their populations at large, albeit unintentionally. This problem in turn created the incentive to find a new type of "solution". It may be that dental amalgams were never intended to function as thermoelectric batteries in people's teeth. However, the principle that thermoelectric batteries may have been unwittingly devised in ignorance and adopted for use in an inappropriate application might be considered consistent with subsequent human experience (remember that the widespread adoption of metal amalgams for use in restorative dentistry was quickly followed by the rise to prominence of psychiatric "medicine" in our societies).

Wouldn't it be awful if all that suffering is the result self-important "scientists" failing to acknowledge their own ignorance because they can't be bothered to think through even their own subject properly?

It is the natural function of the human neurological system to transmit signals in the form of an electrical current.

However it is not the natural function of the human neurological system to be constantly dissipating electrical energy from the thermoelectric batteries in their teeth.

Keith P Walsh

It is now three months since I submitted questions regarding the thermoelectric behavior of metal dental restorations to the XIII International Forum of Thermoelectricity in Kiev, and so far I have not heard a dickie-bird in reply.

Not that I am particularly surprised by this. After all, how is Professor Anatychuk going to come up with any answers?. By consulting the available scientific literature on the matter?

There isn't any.

Or by carrying out the necessary experimental investigations himself?

Nah!

I think that Professor Anatychuk will quickly recognise that these experimental investigations should already have been carried out a long time ago, so why should he be the mug who discovers (or perhaps re-discovers) that the dental profession has been making one of the greatest technological errors ever imposed on the world's population for the last 200 years?

The dentists responsible for making such an error would be most likely to employ every means at their disposal to discredit anyone who identified such an error before ever admitting to it, even in the face of direct experimental evidence. And I expect that even Professor Anatychuk would concede that the international dental profession is a much more powerful organisation than his own.

Not convinced?

Well go ahead then and do the experiments to find out.

As a matter of fact the international dental profession ought to be very grateful if someone can demonstrate that the thermoelectric potentials generated by metallic dental restorations are not great enough to dissipate electrical potentials through the nerves in people's heads. (But don't forget that dentists sometimes screw metal alloy retaining pins into the root sockets of patients' teeth and then encase the heads of the pins in metal amalgams.)

Nevertheless I would still advise that you tread very carefully. At present the dental profession in general doesn't even know what thermoelectricity is. There may be those who would prefer to keep it that way.

Keith P Walsh

PS, I have noticed that some people are inclined to presume that if the presence of metal dental restorations in people's teeth was causing problems then they would have recognised it. This is unscientific reasoning. The widespread adoption of metal amalgams for use in restorative dentistry was quickly followed by the rise to prominence of psychiatric "medicine" in our societies. By what scientific procedure does anyone "know" that the two are not linked?

It's been nearly six months now, and there's still no word from Anatychuk on metal dental fillings. (At least not to me. Has anyone else heard anything?)

It's made me wonder whether he might be a charlatan.

But surely not. Look at all those impressive papers that he's published over the years covering just about every other aspect of thermoelectricity.

You'd think that if anyone could determine the thermoelectric behavior of the inhomogeneous mixtures of dissimilar metals commonly used in restorative dentistry, it would certainly be he.

No, not a charlatan.

But why the long wait?

Perhaps he's just a coward.

Keith P Walsh

P.S. remember that the dental profession ought to be very grateful if someone could provide sufficient experimental evidence (or even just a convincing theoretical argument) for believing that the thermoelectric potentials generated by metal dental restorations are NOT large enough to dissipate electrical energy through the nerves in people's heads.

Keith P Walsh

It looks like I was wrong.


It’s been more than a year now and it appears that the scientific community, including the International Thermoelectric Society, is still completely ignorant of the thermoelectric properties of metal dental restorations. (In any case, I still haven’t had any answers to the questions I put to Professor Anatychuk at last year’s International forum on the matter.)


Let me explain the issue again.


Metal amalgams are used for filling cavities in people’s (including children’s) teeth.


And there isn’t anyone anywhere in the world who knows what the thermoelectric properties or thermoelectric behaviour of these materials are.


An amalgam is not an alloy.


A dental amalgam is formed by mixing bits of a solid alloy with liquid mercury and allowing the mixture to harden, and the entire process normally takes place at room temperature.


Under these circumstances what you get is a material which is fundamentally different from metallic alloys in the respect that its internal microstructure displays a much greater degree of inhomogeneity than an alloy.


The solid amalgam may be accurately described as an inhomogeneous mixture of dissimilar metals.


For an illustration of the microstructure of a typical dental amalgam see:


http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/setting.htm 


And, as result of its material inhomogeneity you might expect the thermoelectric behaviour of a dental amalgam to be more pronounced than that of a true metal alloy (i.e. where the constituent metals are all raised to a temperature which is above the melting point of each one, and the mixture is then allowed to cool at a controlled rate to produce a solid with a much higher degree of material homogeneity than in amalgams).


The “cores” of unreacted solid alloy in the dental amalgam have a different composition to that of the solid amalgam matrix in which they are held. The cores have no mercury in them at all, whilst all of the mercury used to form the material is contained within the surrounding matrix.


If you were to subject this material to a thermal gradient you would expect the difference between the thermoelectric properties of the cores and the surrounding matrix to give rise to a thermoelectric eddy current around each of the cores.


For an illustration of this type of thermoelectric eddy current see:


 http://www.hs-magdeburg.de/fachbereiche/f-iwid/ET/Personen/Hinken/forschung/N6.htm


 


In NDT applications the local electromagnetic fields generated by these thermoelectric eddy currents are detected at the surfaces of the materials in which they are induced by very sensitive instruments.


The question arises; is it possible that the very sensitive neurological tissue in the vicinity of teeth with amalgam dental fillings may be excited by the local electromagnetic fields associated with the thermoelectric eddy currents induced in the amalgams whenever they are subjected to a temperature gradient (e.g. when eating ice-cream)?


And has anyone ever bothered to carry out experimental investigations in order to determine whether this effect can be detected with very sensitive instruments?


Apart from the fact that dental amalgams are inhomogeneous mixtures of dissimilar metals in their own right, dentists also sometimes screw metal alloy retaining pins into the root sockets of patients’ teeth and encase the heads of the pins in amalgam, thereby creating the conditions for generating further thermoelectric potentials along the contours of the interface between the retaining pins and the amalgam.


In this instance there can be no excuse for not recognising the thermoelectric potential of the arrangement. Metal dental restorations are continually subjected to thermal gradients. The question arises; are the thermoelectric potentials generated by metal dental restorations comprising several different metallic materials in contact with each other large enough to dissipate electrical energy through the nerves in people’s heads?


And has anyone ever bothered to carry out experimental investigations in order to determine what is the largest thermoelectric potential that can be generated by metal dental restorations?


Normal levels of electrical potentials generated by metal dental restorations can be routinely measured, see:


http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/potentials.htm


And researchers have measured these potentials with magnitudes of up to 350 millivolts, see:


http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/dutch.htm


(The resting potential of the human neurological synapses only 70 millivolts.)


Dental materials scientists, and members of the dental profession in general, have a tendency to assume that these potentials are the result of “galvanic activity”, or electrolysis, and that they are only generated when the amalgam is in contact with an electrolyte, which is normally presumed to be saliva. So, when researchers William Schriever
of the University of Oklahoma and Louis E. Diamond of the University

School of Medicine, Oklahoma City measured amalgam potentials of comparable magnitude when they had taken care to ensure that they were not in contact with any saliva at all, they deduced that the electrolytic agent in the generation of the measured potentials must have been “bone fluid” in contact with the hidden surfaces of the amalgam under the fillings. See:


http://jdr.iadrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/31/2/205


The questions arise; is there any such “bone fluid” with the necessary acidic properties to justify this presumption? Is there any evidence that the required degree of electrolysis can be produced by the action of “bone fluid” to explain these electrical potentials (dentists are sometimes keen to explain that under initial galvanic action the surfaces of newly placed amalgam fillings quickly form a protective coating of metal oxide which adheres to those surfaces and, once it has formed, effectively PREVENTS any further electrolysis from taking place – and yet the presence of the electrical potentials in the amalgams can still be measured)? And is it not possible that these potentials are more accurately explained by thermoelectric and/or associated electromagnetic effects which do not involve any electrolysis at all?


I first asked questions about the thermoelectric behaviour of metal dental restorations in this forum more than ten years ago. In response, I received a series of what I thought were rather unscientific and condescending replies from Cronin B Vining, a prominent member of the thermoelectric community at the time. Mr Vining freely admitted that the substance of his replies was based largely on guesswork, see:


 http://www.its.org/node/1233


Guesswork is an important part of the scientific process but it must always be supported by, and be consistent with, scientific (i.e. experimental) evidence in order for it to be accepted as scientific fact. Guesswork on its own does not constitute science, no matter who makes the guess. This is because in the absence of any corroborative experimental evidence there is always a possibility that the guess is wrong. And if experimental evidence contradicts the guess then according to the established principles of scientific understanding, it is wrong. (The celebrated American physicist Richard P Feynman was a committed proponent of this important principal, see YouTube “1993 Horizon No Ordinary Genius Pt 1 - 1 of 5”, 5 minutes in.)


Cronin Vining’s judgements on the thermoelectric behaviour of dental amalgams were made after only taking into account the percentage composition of the constituent metals which he had found in his search. He had completely ignored any consideration of the inhomogeneous nature of how these constituents are arranged in the material, a factor which we have already seen is of major significance to its thermoelectric behaviour.


And on subsequent questioning he also failed to address the question of how the combination of an alloy retaining pin with amalgam might behave under thermal gradients.


Professor Anatychuk of the Institute of Thermoelectricity in the Ukraine believes that Alessandro Volta was the first person to demonstrate a thermoelectric effect when he re-produced Luigi Galvani’s experiments with the frog’s leg. (Presumably Galvani doesn’t warrant the credit for it because he had offered a spurious explanation based on “animal electricity”).


http://www.thermoelectricityjournal.com/product_info.php?cPath=40_42&products_id=248


If professor Anatychuk is correct, and a single thermoelectric junction acting at ordinary temperature differentials generates a thermoelectric potential which is large enough to excite neurological cells in animal tissue, then this above all demonstrates the unquestionable necessity for investigating and establishing the size and effect of the thermoelectric potentials generated by metal dental restorations.


In my experience it is at this point in the argument that the apologists for dental amalgam begin to put forward the excuse that “if dental amalgams were causing anyone any harm we would have recognised it”.


Would we?


How would we?


It is ironic that dental amalgams were first introduced as a treatment for tooth decay around about the time that Thomas Johann Seebeck became the first person to demonstrate that the application of a temperature gradient to dissimilar metals in contact with each other gives rise to a local electromagnetic effect (and that this happens in the absence of any electrolytic action).


It can be reasonably argued that the widespread adoption of metal amalgams for treating cavities in teeth was quickly followed by the rise to prominence of psychiatric “medicine” in our societies. And as far as I can tell no-one has any convincing scientific argument for concluding that the two things are not linked by the relationship of cause and effect.


If the thermoelectric potentials generated by metal dental fillings are large enough to dissipate electrical energy through the nerves in people’s heads, then this would provide a perfectly plausible causal link between the two. And in the absence of any experimental evidence to indicate one way or the other, no-one has any idea whether the proposal of such a causal link is accurate or not.


Alternative valid explanations for the large rates of affliction from so-called “psychiatric disorders which still persist today do not exist. Those of us alive today have all grown up in an era where the presence of amalgam fillings in teeth is commonplace, and the high incidence mental illness is regarded as “natural”.


Millions, if not billions, of dollars have been spent on research attempting to “prove” that the causes of psychiatric disease are “genetic” (so far without success), whilst at the same time nothing at all has been spent on investigating the physiological effects of thermoelectric batteries (metal dental fillings) in people’s teeth.


The upper and lower mandibles where the teeth of human beings are set do not have any muscle tissue, but there are very sensitive organs nearby. The medical profession is also unable to explain the causes of a class of disorders affecting the area of the lower head which may be described as neurological rather than psychological, disorders such as tinnitus (ears), Meniere’s disease (balance) and facial neuralgia.


Developing drugs which are partially successful in treating the symptoms of disorders such as these does not mean that their causes are understood. (And it can be demonstrated that the complaint of a permanent “ringing in the ears” has a much longer history than that of loud rock music - many tinnitus sufferers apparently do not acknowledge that their condition has anything to do with listening to loud music – see:


http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/courier.htm


Meanwhile dentists ignorant of the thermoelectric behaviour of metal amalgams continue to place amalgam fillings in people’s teeth.


Dentists don’t know what thermoelectricity is.


They are taught in dental schools to believe that metals can only generate electrical potentials when they are involved in electrolytic reactions, see,


http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/brown.htm


The International Thermoelectric Society has a duty to point out that dentists are mistaken in this belief.


Many years ago I also contacted Professor Rowe in Cardiff about the question of the thermoelectric properties of dental amalgams, and he glibly replied that these properties would be easy to measure (it’s so long ago that I no longer have a copy of his e-mail, but I expect that he remembers it as well as I do). So come on someone at ITS, take up the challenge and measure these properties. And publish the results. Measure the largest thermoelectric potential that can be generated by a metal dental restoration (but don’t forget that dentists sometimes screw metal alloy retaining pins into the root sockets of patient’s teeth and encase the heads of the pins in dental amalgam).


Don’t wait for Professor Rowe to do it. He’s too busy posing by his car.


In recent postings I’ve made insinuations against Professor Anatychuk which were perhaps unfair. I know he’s not a young man, and if he has now retired or is perhaps ill then I wish him well and acknowledge the importance of his work in thermoelectricity. But it looks as though, for whatever reason, he will not now be able to do the experimental work necessary  to answer my questions (for example, what would have been the minimum temperature differential necessary for Volta to have applied to his apparatus in order to make the frog’s leg jump, using only a single thermocouple junction?).


And from what I can gather Cronin B Vining is disillusioned with thermoelectricity altogether (can’t say I’m surprised).


What’s needed is a young scientist with integrity who understands thermoelectricity from a scientific point of view and does not lack the courage to tackle a potentially controversial scientific issue with honesty, intelligence and fortitude.


Remember no scientist ever made a name for himself simply by regurgitating what others had told him (or her). Anyone who ever established a lasting reputation as a scientist did so by pursuing answers to things that they DIDN’T understand.


Towards the end of 1992 I wrote a series of five letters enquiring about the electrical behaviour of metal amalgam dental fillings.


You can find them at:


http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/intro.htm


As a result of the response to these letters, and of my own personal experiences both before and after they were written, I have come to believe that the electrical potentials generated by metal amalgam dental fillings are able to dissipate electrical energy through the nerves in people's heads and, in so doing, make people unhappy.


And in extreme though not uncommon cases they are also able to cause permanent neurological injury which cannot be repaired simply by the removal of the fillings.


Metal amalgams are used for filling cavities in children’s teeth.


And there isn’t anyone anywhere in the world who knows what the thermoelectric properties of these materials are.


It’s idiotic.


Keith P Walsh